Subject: family of John Payne m. Lydia Tisdale Date: 2016-08-02 10:05 From: karen sims To: ThouOldKing@colecanada.com Here is Hiram Payne, brother of John Payne. SKETCHES OF THE ALUMNI OF DARTMOUTH COLLEGE From the First Graduation in 1771 to the Present Time With a Brief History of the Institution Rev. George T. Chapman, D.D. http://www.dartmouth.edu/~library/rauner/chapman/chapman_page_47.html text: Hiram Payne, A. M. the son of John and Jemima (Hutchinson) Payne, was born at Andover, Ct, in 1763, and died at Palmyra, N. Y. Mar. 22, 1845, _Je. _82. He early went to the island of Cape Breton ; after 8 years returned to Hanover; then lived in Pennsylvania engaged in land business; was next at Lyons, N. Y. a merchant; and at length removed to Palmyra. He married Chloe Thayer. As you can see, there is a generation missing in your descent. Joseph Payne m Ann BaDcock (m. Windham CT 26 Feb 1723) John PayneSR (b Windham 26 Apr 1725) m Jemima Hutchinson (m Coventry CT 7 May 1747) d of Eleazer Hutchinson and Jemima Wright children of John and Jemima Jemima b Coventry 01 Feb 1748 m Israel Smith) John Jr b Coventry 13 Apr 1751 (m Lydia Tisdale) Lemuel b Coventry 28 Mar 1755 Hiram b. Andover Society, Lebanon, CT 15 Jan 1763 In 1772 John Payne Sr. built an Inn in Hanover NH, next to Dartmouth College Both John Payne Sr and John Payne Jr were surveyors and laid out the plots for many NH towns. They were paid in land, (one plot in each town they surveyed) and when property taxes were instituted after the war, they lost most of it to back taxes (seems rather unfair) John Payne JR was not a loyalist - he served as a Lieutenant in the revolutionary war. In 1820 he returned to the US and applied for a revolutionary war pension. image attached. Last known address was Castleton, Staten Island, New York. Died 11 Mar 1825. There is a woman, Ester, who collected a widow's pension based on John Jr's pension, but I personally believe she was a fraud. Jemima Hutchinson's family moved from Lebanon CT to settle Hartford VT, and John and Jemima evidently went with them, or followed shortly after. Lemuel Payne is probably Lemuel Payne m Mindwell (Sexton?), of Randolph VT, who named a child Eleazer Huchenson Payne b 27 Oct 1791 - named after his grandfather. There were two Joseph Payne's in the Lebanon area - do keep them separate. There is a Payne book which follows some of the descendants of Hiram Payne - it states that Joseph, father of John Sr, was the immigrant, based on notes made by ancestors'. This book used to be on-line, but I can't find it anymore. I believe, with a series of coincidences, that I am descended from this George Payne, but can not prove it. I have 1 letter from a John Payne, to his son George, datelined Staten Island, informing George that his brother William died at New Bern, NC, in 1822. Some of the Tisdale family lived in New Bern, however the historian at New Bern could not find a death record for William Payne. George was a mariner, perhaps William was also. My George's tombstone says he was born in 1789. I have not found a death record for George, but two of his daughters have death records that list the birthplace of their father - one says Maine, the other says Nova Scotia. George was prisoner of war in the war of 1812 and held at Dartmoor prison in England - so he certainly had documents that said he was born in the US, whether or not that was true. (If he hadn't, he would have been impressed by the English Navy) After the war, and the delayed release of the Dartmoor prisoners, he settled his family in Chatham, Massachusetts. karen /SimsKaren1stEmail.txt